Ohio Valley Weather Observation & Discussion
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Wow.., that is awful! I see 2022 on that list. Other then the Blizzard around Christmas, that was the highlight of that winter for us. Total snowfall at CVG that season (22-23) was only 14.4" Ugh... noooo thanks, but unless we see changes in the pacific as we've been talking about in the early winter thoughts thread, an outcome like that will probably be our fate again.
I stand corrected. ILN has updated their county outline map as seen here:tron777 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 9:45 am I think we'll get one more frost advisory for tonight, then it'll be a wrap on those for a bit. To my knowledge, most areas have not seen a hard freeze yet to effectively end the growing season so the Frost / Freeze program from the boys, should still be in effect.
I don’t know Les , looks like you had it right for most of the region, those upper 20 temps were rare and only in the usual colder spots east. Low to mid 30s were the ruletron777 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:12 amI stand corrected. ILN has updated their county outline map as seen here:tron777 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 9:45 am I think we'll get one more frost advisory for tonight, then it'll be a wrap on those for a bit. To my knowledge, most areas have not seen a hard freeze yet to effectively end the growing season so the Frost / Freeze program from the boys, should still be in effect.
https://www.weather.gov/iln/fallfrostfreeze
The program has ended for our extreme Eastern tier of counties. Basically East of Columbus and the Scioto Valley.
Yes another frost this morning but not quite what I saw Wednesday morning. Yes the temps played out like we thought and like always a few upper 20's but not one you see that last more than an hour at best. Usually need 3 hours or so at 29 and below to really get a nice freeze. Yes the growing season has slowed up and even without a frost the season is winding down as usual. Leaves of course will be really turn colors with the clear sky and colder temps and peak should be sometime later next week. Heading to Wisconsin in a week and the peak is already there so will be interesting to see how the leftover colors look up there. Hope to see a day late next week of a few flurries up there before I leave.Bgoney wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:28 amI don’t know Les , looks like you had it right for most of the region, those upper 20 temps were rare and only in the usual colder spots east. Low to mid 30s were the ruletron777 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:12 amI stand corrected. ILN has updated their county outline map as seen here:tron777 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 9:45 am I think we'll get one more frost advisory for tonight, then it'll be a wrap on those for a bit. To my knowledge, most areas have not seen a hard freeze yet to effectively end the growing season so the Frost / Freeze program from the boys, should still be in effect.
https://www.weather.gov/iln/fallfrostfreeze
The program has ended for our extreme Eastern tier of counties. Basically East of Columbus and the Scioto Valley.
Thanks, but the map shows that they cancelled the program in these counties anyway despite what I said.Bgoney wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:28 amI don’t know Les , looks like you had it right for most of the region, those upper 20 temps were rare and only in the usual colder spots east. Low to mid 30s were the ruletron777 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:12 amI stand corrected. ILN has updated their county outline map as seen here:tron777 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 9:45 am I think we'll get one more frost advisory for tonight, then it'll be a wrap on those for a bit. To my knowledge, most areas have not seen a hard freeze yet to effectively end the growing season so the Frost / Freeze program from the boys, should still be in effect.
https://www.weather.gov/iln/fallfrostfreeze
The program has ended for our extreme Eastern tier of counties. Basically East of Columbus and the Scioto Valley.
It was a small area though to your point. 
My Dad and I took our Geraniums and Mums back outside today as the low on Fri morning is progged for around 35 or 36 up this way.tron777 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 9:45 am I think we'll get one more frost advisory for tonight, then it'll be a wrap on those for a bit. To my knowledge, most areas have not seen a hard freeze yet to effectively end the growing season so the Frost / Freeze program from the boys, should still be in effect.
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Anyway, we'll see how things look towards the end of next week. This is when our next front approaches so that is when our next chances of rain will be. Until then, another beauty of a weekend upcoming as well as a good chunk of next week. Sometime on Thurs or Fri is when that next front is due in here. Exactly Tim! From a farmers standpoint it would be useless. Still though, the trees and what not could use it as well as our lawns before the winter cold slows everything down. Even though I expect mild weather as a whole for the foreseeable future, I am still optimistic that we can start seeing more rain anyway as we get toward the end of this month and on into November. That has been my call for a while now and I am going to be sticking to it. Yes, a shot of cold air can occur but it'll be in and out, much like we have been seeing. As Bgoney and I have been talking about, you need to see the EPO go negative to get cold shots to come our way and sustainable cold at that, or it'll be mild thanks to that stubborn -PDO which continues to drive the pattern across the Pacific downstream into the CONUS. A -EPO / +WPO combo is what we have seen the last several winters. If we can somehow get a period of -EPO / -WPO then a more sustainable wintry pattern would occur with very cold, arctic air. As usual, we will be monitoring this as time goes on as we always do.tpweather wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 6:45 am Good Morning Les and no doubt it has been dry but the mid-west say in Iowa,Illinois,Wisconsin had a very wet spring and early summer but since then they have been dry and little help from any tropical moisture. Hopefully the late fall and winter will bring us plenty of rainfall though you would like to see this in spring and summer during the growing season
Les a wonderful post. I agree 100p/c and yes getting a few periods with a -EPO/-WPO we should see some decent cold shots. No doubt the snow cover in Canada imo should be on the heavier side so getting cold on this side of the globe should be no problem but getting it further south is something that will probably come in spurts and with a La Nina normally we get a decent shot late November or early December.After that we just hope we get what you stated above. The warm waters off the coast of Japan is really amazing and sure have seen it in the past but not for this long of duration. Part of that I believe is the pacific tropical season over the past several years has been way down in terms of storms in though this year better than say the past 3 or so.tron777 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 6:50 amExactly Tim! From a farmers standpoint it would be useless. Still though, the trees and what not could use it as well as our lawns before the winter cold slows everything down. Even though I expect mild weather as a whole for the foreseeable future, I am still optimistic that we can start seeing more rain anyway as we get toward the end of this month and on into November. That has been my call for a while now and I am going to be sticking to it. Yes, a shot of cold air can occur but it'll be in and out, much like we have been seeing. As Bgoney and I have been talking about, you need to see the EPO go negative to get cold shots to come our way and sustainable cold at that, or it'll be mild thanks to that stubborn -PDO which continues to drive the pattern across the Pacific downstream into the CONUS. A -EPO / +WPO combo is what we have seen the last several winters. If we can somehow get a period of -EPO / -WPO then a more sustainable wintry pattern would occur with very cold, arctic air. As usual, we will be monitoring this as time goes on as we always do.tpweather wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 6:45 am Good Morning Les and no doubt it has been dry but the mid-west say in Iowa,Illinois,Wisconsin had a very wet spring and early summer but since then they have been dry and little help from any tropical moisture. Hopefully the late fall and winter will bring us plenty of rainfall though you would like to see this in spring and summer during the growing season
Thanks Tim. With a -WPO / -EPO combo the North Pacific high would go more pole ward and thus allowing cold air to move into the Eastern US with ridging out West and a trough over the East. Even if the EPO is negative, if the WPO is positive, the North Pacific high is more flat so the trough can tuck itself into the West and we get a SE ridge for us. Unfortunately, that will probably be the pattern more often then not this winter thanks to the -PDO and the MJO going thru phases 4-6 repeatedly. However, as I just said, if we get periods of -EPO and -WPO then our chances for wintry action will come. It's just the way it goes,tpweather wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 6:57 amLes a wonderful post. I agree 100p/c and yes getting a few periods with a -EPO/-WPO we should see some decent cold shots. No doubt the snow cover in Canada imo should be on the heavier side so getting cold on this side of the globe should be no problem but getting it further south is something that will probably come in spurts and with a La Nina normally we get a decent shot late November or early December.After that we just hope we get what you stated above. The warm waters off the coast of Japan is really amazing and sure have seen it in the past but not for this long of duration. Part of that I believe is the pacific tropical season over the past several years has been way down in terms of storms in though this year better than say the past 3 or so.tron777 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 6:50 amExactly Tim! From a farmers standpoint it would be useless. Still though, the trees and what not could use it as well as our lawns before the winter cold slows everything down. Even though I expect mild weather as a whole for the foreseeable future, I am still optimistic that we can start seeing more rain anyway as we get toward the end of this month and on into November. That has been my call for a while now and I am going to be sticking to it. Yes, a shot of cold air can occur but it'll be in and out, much like we have been seeing. As Bgoney and I have been talking about, you need to see the EPO go negative to get cold shots to come our way and sustainable cold at that, or it'll be mild thanks to that stubborn -PDO which continues to drive the pattern across the Pacific downstream into the CONUS. A -EPO / +WPO combo is what we have seen the last several winters. If we can somehow get a period of -EPO / -WPO then a more sustainable wintry pattern would occur with very cold, arctic air. As usual, we will be monitoring this as time goes on as we always do.tpweather wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 6:45 am Good Morning Les and no doubt it has been dry but the mid-west say in Iowa,Illinois,Wisconsin had a very wet spring and early summer but since then they have been dry and little help from any tropical moisture. Hopefully the late fall and winter will bring us plenty of rainfall though you would like to see this in spring and summer during the growing season