Re: January 5-6th, 2025 First Legit Winter Storm of the Season
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2025 5:24 pm
Gfs really giving the love in the snow department to the counties bordering I70
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CVG
SUN 18Z 05-JAN -5.0 -3.0 1023 92 97 0.27 559 541
MON 00Z 06-JAN -4.7 -1.0 1017 96 97 0.61 557 544
MON 06Z 06-JAN -2.8 1.9 1008 96 63 0.60 552 545
MON 12Z 06-JAN -3.0 2.2 1002 96 99 0.07 542 541
MON 18Z 06-JAN -3.3 -6.6 1005 97 82 0.12 534 531
TUE 00Z 07-JAN -3.0 -9.1 1014 90 89 0.09 541 530
HAO
SUN 18Z 05-JAN -4.6 -3.6 1023 78 96 0.16 558 540
MON 00Z 06-JAN -5.0 -2.8 1018 96 97 0.57 557 542
MON 06Z 06-JAN -3.8 0.2 1009 95 90 0.60 551 544
MON 12Z 06-JAN -3.8 0.8 1004 94 96 0.11 542 540
MON 18Z 06-JAN -3.1 -7.1 1005 97 91 0.21 535 531
TUE 00Z 07-JAN -3.5 -9.2 1014 88 93 0.13 540 530
MGY
MON 00Z 06-JAN -5.4 -3.6 1018 95 97 0.44 556 542
MON 06Z 06-JAN -4.7 -0.7 1010 95 100 0.60 551 544
MON 12Z 06-JAN -4.5 0.2 1004 94 96 0.12 543 539
MON 18Z 06-JAN -3.2 -7.2 1005 97 95 0.26 536 532
TUE 00Z 07-JAN -3.9 -9.3 1013 89 92 0.18 540 529
DAY
SUN 18Z 05-JAN -4.1 -5.9 1023 54 97 0.03 557 538
MON 00Z 06-JAN -5.4 -3.8 1019 93 96 0.22 556 541
MON 06Z 06-JAN -5.1 -1.7 1011 95 99 0.57 551 543
MON 12Z 06-JAN -5.1 -1.5 1005 94 97 0.15 543 539
MON 18Z 06-JAN -3.0 -7.2 1005 96 96 0.29 536 532
TUE 00Z 07-JAN -4.4 -9.5 1013 89 88 0.19 539 529
CMH
MON 00Z 06-JAN -4.4 -6.0 1021 83 97 0.04 555 539
MON 06Z 06-JAN -5.0 -3.2 1013 96 98 0.44 552 542
MON 12Z 06-JAN -4.9 -2.1 1006 95 99 0.21 544 539
MON 18Z 06-JAN -3.0 -5.1 1003 97 97 0.24 537 534
TUE 00Z 07-JAN -3.5 -8.8 1010 88 97 0.32 538 530
FGX
SUN 18Z 05-JAN -4.7 -2.5 1023 94 98 0.25 560 542
MON 00Z 06-JAN -4.4 -0.6 1017 95 95 0.40 559 545
MON 06Z 06-JAN -1.1 4.0 1008 97 98 0.64 554 548
MON 12Z 06-JAN 0.3 4.2 1001 100 60 0.21 545 544
MON 18Z 06-JAN -0.6 -5.7 1002 99 62 0.05 535 534
When you say the Butler/Warren/Highland/Clinton counties line, do you mean the line formed by the northern or southern boundaries of these counties? So, for example, are these counties contaminated as well, or are they north of the contamination? Thanks!
I'm not Bgoney, but I would have to say both. I posted the text data for HAO and it has frz rain. Frz rain even gets to MGY.wrmwxfreak wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 5:45 pmWhen you say the Butler/Warren/Highland/Clinton counties line, do you mean the line formed by the northern or southern boundaries of these counties? So, for example, are these counties contaminated as well, or are they north of the contamination? Thanks!
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SUN 18Z 05-JAN -4.2 -6.1 1024 65 97 0.07 558 539
MON 00Z 06-JAN -5.5 -3.3 1019 96 98 0.46 557 542
MON 06Z 06-JAN -4.6 0.1 1010 95 97 0.62 552 544
MON 12Z 06-JAN -4.1 1.6 1004 95 94 0.12 544 541
MON 18Z 06-JAN -3.6 -6.1 1004 97 90 0.24 536 533
TUE 00Z 07-JAN -3.7 -9.1 1012 89 97 0.20 539 530
Yes they would be included in contamination. Sorry about thatwrmwxfreak wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 5:45 pmWhen you say the Butler/Warren/Highland/Clinton counties line, do you mean the line formed by the northern or southern boundaries of these counties? So, for example, are these counties contaminated as well, or are they north of the contamination? Thanks!
Great to hear from you! And couldn’t agree more!!! This is going to be a fanatic stormPhr0z3n wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:07 pm What’s up everyone! It’s so refreshing to actually have a storm to track! Tp and Tron are right the models are correcting ( it always happens), but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s right neither. With that being said I’m also wondering if the track shifting north is done! If this were a Miller B I’d say it would go back south but the blocking high is not coming east with the surface low, probably because of the 50/50 low. It would not surprise me to see this go further north just a little bit. I think spire 0z and 12z have been showing this, but so far that solution is the outlier but not by much. The next 48 hours will be amazing to watch. Also the Waa is usually underdone so my neck of the woods could possible see some sleet with another shift north.
I hope the bleeding stops soon or I'll be 34 and rain!mikeyp wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:29 pmGreat to hear from you! And couldn’t agree more!!! This is going to be a fanatic stormPhr0z3n wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:07 pm What’s up everyone! It’s so refreshing to actually have a storm to track! Tp and Tron are right the models are correcting ( it always happens), but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s right neither. With that being said I’m also wondering if the track shifting north is done! If this were a Miller B I’d say it would go back south but the blocking high is not coming east with the surface low, probably because of the 50/50 low. It would not surprise me to see this go further north just a little bit. I think spire 0z and 12z have been showing this, but so far that solution is the outlier but not by much. The next 48 hours will be amazing to watch. Also the Waa is usually underdone so my neck of the woods could possible see some sleet with another shift north.
For you and Cincy I hope it does stop. Cold rain is the worst. Correct me if I’m wrong but haven’t we seen an Ohio border storm track with this setup before. It looks really familiar to me. I’m not saying that this storm track will do that.tron777 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:49 pmI hope the bleeding stops soon or I'll be 34 and rain!mikeyp wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:29 pmGreat to hear from you! And couldn’t agree more!!! This is going to be a fanatic stormPhr0z3n wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:07 pm What’s up everyone! It’s so refreshing to actually have a storm to track! Tp and Tron are right the models are correcting ( it always happens), but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s right neither. With that being said I’m also wondering if the track shifting north is done! If this were a Miller B I’d say it would go back south but the blocking high is not coming east with the surface low, probably because of the 50/50 low. It would not surprise me to see this go further north just a little bit. I think spire 0z and 12z have been showing this, but so far that solution is the outlier but not by much. The next 48 hours will be amazing to watch. Also the Waa is usually underdone so my neck of the woods could possible see some sleet with another shift north.
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SUN 18Z 05-JAN -4.8 -3.4 1022 75 99 0.10 557 540
MON 00Z 06-JAN -5.0 -2.4 1015 91 100 0.41 554 543
MON 06Z 06-JAN -5.4 -2.7 1009 92 92 0.29 545 538
MON 12Z 06-JAN -5.4 -8.7 1011 85 100 0.20 538 530
MON 18Z 06-JAN -4.4 -10.1 1018 78 32 0.07 542 528
HAO
SUN 18Z 05-JAN -5.2 -4.8 1023 66 100 0.07 556 538
MON 00Z 06-JAN -5.4 -3.6 1016 90 100 0.43 553 541
MON 06Z 06-JAN -5.5 -4.5 1010 87 90 0.22 545 537
MON 12Z 06-JAN -5.3 -8.6 1011 86 101 0.19 539 530
MON 18Z 06-JAN -4.5 -11.1 1017 81 33 0.02 541 527
MGY
SUN 18Z 05-JAN -5.0 -6.2 1023 56 100 0.03 555 537
MON 00Z 06-JAN -6.0 -4.3 1017 90 98 0.44 553 540
MON 06Z 06-JAN -5.9 -5.2 1011 87 90 0.20 545 536
MON 12Z 06-JAN -5.4 -8.5 1010 86 100 0.10 539 530
MON 18Z 06-JAN -4.9 -11.9 1017 84 34 0.03 540 527
DAY
SUN 18Z 05-JAN -3.9 -7.5 1023 38 98 0.01 554 536
MON 00Z 06-JAN -6.1 -5.2 1017 88 97 0.28 552 539
MON 06Z 06-JAN -5.8 -6.3 1012 86 93 0.24 544 535
MON 12Z 06-JAN -5.5 -8.6 1011 87 100 0.02 539 530
MON 18Z 06-JAN -4.9 -12.6 1017 86 36 0.02 539 526
CMH
MON 00Z 06-JAN -6.0 -6.3 1019 83 98 0.13 552 538
MON 06Z 06-JAN -5.8 -6.3 1013 87 99 0.35 545 535
MON 12Z 06-JAN -5.7 -8.7 1010 79 99 0.10 539 531
MON 18Z 06-JAN -4.0 -12.3 1014 88 42 0.02 537 526
TUE 00Z 07-JAN -4.9 -13.4 1020 81 16 0.01 539 524
FGX
SUN 18Z 05-JAN -4.2 -2.7 1022 73 100 0.10 558 541
MON 00Z 06-JAN -4.1 -2.2 1015 91 100 0.29 556 545
MON 06Z 06-JAN -3.6 0.7 1007 93 76 0.43 548 542
MON 12Z 06-JAN -4.8 -4.5 1007 88 82 0.09 539 534
MON 18Z 06-JAN -3.7 -9.7 1015 83 67 0.12 541 529
No, we haven't. IMO the low track should stay S of I-64. A border track or N TN is better for us to remain snow but if we can keep it S of 64 then it'll at least be all frozen, even here.Phr0z3n wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:53 pmFor you and Cincy I hope it does stop. Cold rain is the worst. Correct me if I’m wrong but haven’t we seen an Ohio border storm track with this setup before. It looks really familiar to me. I’m not saying that this storm track will do that.tron777 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:49 pmI hope the bleeding stops soon or I'll be 34 and rain!mikeyp wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:29 pmGreat to hear from you! And couldn’t agree more!!! This is going to be a fanatic stormPhr0z3n wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:07 pm What’s up everyone! It’s so refreshing to actually have a storm to track! Tp and Tron are right the models are correcting ( it always happens), but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s right neither. With that being said I’m also wondering if the track shifting north is done! If this were a Miller B I’d say it would go back south but the blocking high is not coming east with the surface low, probably because of the 50/50 low. It would not surprise me to see this go further north just a little bit. I think spire 0z and 12z have been showing this, but so far that solution is the outlier but not by much. The next 48 hours will be amazing to watch. Also the Waa is usually underdone so my neck of the woods could possible see some sleet with another shift north.
Ah ok it must have been a little different scenario! I’m definitely rooting for you guys.tron777 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:58 pmNo, we haven't. IMO the low track should stay S of I-64. A border track or N TN is better for us to remain snow but if we can keep it S of 64 then it'll at least be all frozen, even here.Phr0z3n wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:53 pmFor you and Cincy I hope it does stop. Cold rain is the worst. Correct me if I’m wrong but haven’t we seen an Ohio border storm track with this setup before. It looks really familiar to me. I’m not saying that this storm track will do that.tron777 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:49 pmI hope the bleeding stops soon or I'll be 34 and rain!mikeyp wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:29 pmGreat to hear from you! And couldn’t agree more!!! This is going to be a fanatic stormPhr0z3n wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:07 pm What’s up everyone! It’s so refreshing to actually have a storm to track! Tp and Tron are right the models are correcting ( it always happens), but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s right neither. With that being said I’m also wondering if the track shifting north is done! If this were a Miller B I’d say it would go back south but the blocking high is not coming east with the surface low, probably because of the 50/50 low. It would not surprise me to see this go further north just a little bit. I think spire 0z and 12z have been showing this, but so far that solution is the outlier but not by much. The next 48 hours will be amazing to watch. Also the Waa is usually underdone so my neck of the woods could possible see some sleet with another shift north.
You would want a low pass over my house to jackpot.Phr0z3n wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:07 pmAh ok it must have been a little different scenario! I’m definitely rooting for you guys.tron777 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:58 pmNo, we haven't. IMO the low track should stay S of I-64. A border track or N TN is better for us to remain snow but if we can keep it S of 64 then it'll at least be all frozen, even here.
After almost 27 years of fighting snowstorms I’m at the point where you can have it.tron777 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:08 pmYou would want a low pass over my house to jackpot.Phr0z3n wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:07 pmAh ok it must have been a little different scenario! I’m definitely rooting for you guys.tron777 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:58 pmNo, we haven't. IMO the low track should stay S of I-64. A border track or N TN is better for us to remain snow but if we can keep it S of 64 then it'll at least be all frozen, even here.
Although it’s looking like we’re in the game anyways to plow because our snow ratios will be much higher. Not to mention Lake Erie will get involved.Phr0z3n wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:09 pmAfter almost 27 years of fighting snowstorms I’m at the point where you can have it.tron777 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:08 pmYou would want a low pass over my house to jackpot.Phr0z3n wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:07 pmAh ok it must have been a little different scenario! I’m definitely rooting for you guys.
True! I hate the freezing rain part though. Hoping the 18Z Euro has the right idea where they jumped north but will slowly correct back south a smidge. Not by a lot but enough where precip type differences and impacts are huge in our area! They always set up near the Oh River, almost every single time.Phr0z3n wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:11 pmAlthough it’s looking like we’re in the game anyways to plow because our snow ratios will be much higher. Not to mention Lake Erie will get involved.Phr0z3n wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:09 pmAfter almost 27 years of fighting snowstorms I’m at the point where you can have it.
Yep I’d rather deal with snow any day. Maybe 18z euro is on to something. A lot of times 18z gfs is the one that starts the right Trend so maybe 18z euro is the same way.tron777 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:14 pmTrue! I hate the freezing rain part though. Hoping the 18Z Euro has the right idea where they jumped north but will slowly correct back south a smidge. Not by a lot but enough where precip type differences and impacts are huge in our area! They always set up near the Oh River, almost every single time.Phr0z3n wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:11 pmAlthough it’s looking like we’re in the game anyways to plow because our snow ratios will be much higher. Not to mention Lake Erie will get involved.
I'll see it in the morning lol Fingers crossed! Tomorrow will be an interesting day anyway as we start to get some sampling.Phr0z3n wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:18 pmYep I’d rather deal with snow any day. Maybe 18z euro is on to something. A lot of times 18z gfs is the one that starts the right Trend so maybe 18z euro is the same way.tron777 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:14 pmTrue! I hate the freezing rain part though. Hoping the 18Z Euro has the right idea where they jumped north but will slowly correct back south a smidge. Not by a lot but enough where precip type differences and impacts are huge in our area! They always set up near the Oh River, almost every single time.
Spire has really been consistent in a northerly track. And ukmet/icon have been hinting at this as well before the major models shifted north That’s why I added my thoughts to a more northerly track.Phr0z3n wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:18 pmYep I’d rather deal with snow any day. Maybe 18z euro is on to something. A lot of times 18z gfs is the one that starts the right Trend so maybe 18z euro is the same way.tron777 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:14 pmTrue! I hate the freezing rain part though. Hoping the 18Z Euro has the right idea where they jumped north but will slowly correct back south a smidge. Not by a lot but enough where precip type differences and impacts are huge in our area! They always set up near the Oh River, almost every single time.